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Baradwaj Rangan
2003-10-09 02:42:59 UTC
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Baghban

Baradwaj Rangan

(C) The Economic Times, Madras Plus - Oct. 9, 2003

'Baghban' opens with shots of Amitabh Bachchan, silhouetted against a
golden sunlight, playing with his grandchild while his reassuring
baritone does a voice-over about how the rearing of a family is like a
gardener's tending to his plants. Taking this metaphor further, you
see that his own garden has yielded four apple-of-the-eye sons and
that he gazes with contented delight at his most beautiful of blooms
-- wife Hema Malini, who makes his tea, knots his tie as he leaves for
work, and greets him with a megawatt smile when he returns, saying,
"Aapke kadmon ki aahat se mere dil ki ghanti bajti hai."

After taking a nationwide drubbing for sullying his image with 'Boom'
-- an actor wanting to stretch... whoever heard of such a thing! --
Bachchan almost appears to be saying via these early events, "Sorry
about 'Boom', but here I am - once again a patriarch, once again
upholding Indian values. Please take me back into your hearts." And
your heart goes out to this demigod of Indian cinema, who now seems as
straitjacketed in Mellow Old Dad roles as he was in Angry Young Man
roles earlier.

But he does play these parts magnificently, and this time he's got the
age-defying Hema Malini by his side. Beautiful people in beautiful
houses doing beautiful things -- the first half-hour of 'Baghban',
save some grating product placements, is everything you go to the
movies for. The sheer enjoyment of seeing the leads back together on
screen after decades compensates for the sheer absence of anything
fresh or original.

Soon, Bachchan retires from work and the couple plans on staying, in
turns, with their sons. Only problem -- each son is willing to host
either the father or the mother, not both. Hema agrees to this
arrangement -- the following scene, where a miffed Amitabh refuses to
look her in the eye, then steals an aching glance as she leaves the
room, is quite moving -- and the rest of the film is about the
disappointed parents suffering at the hands of their sons (each one an
insensitive clod) and daughters-in-law (each one a pale,
passive-aggressive variant of Bindu).

It's easy to imagine, say, AK Hangal and Durga Khote undergoing these
miseries, but it's tough to see why people as self-possessed and
sophisticated as Amitabh and Hema would end up this way. And therein
lies the rub in 'Baghban' -- the casting of the leads and the
high-gloss setting of their lives just do not make the subsequent
events convincing. That these events are straight out of a
screaming-sixties' melodrama -- Hema is housed in a maidservant's
room, a son shells out money for his kid's expensive shoes but not for
Amitabh's broken spectacles, and so on -- makes things worse.

The latter portions are spiked intermittently by the lively Paresh
Rawal and Lilette Dubey (as friends of Amitabh's) and by the
occasionally-touching Amitabh-Hema love story (that's now carried on
through letters and phone calls), but it's otherwise a slow slog to an
inevitable end.

You don't mind being reminded of older films -- the 'Silsila'-style
Holi song, the 'Mahaan'-style over-the-telephone number, Salman Khan's
brief role as the faithful 'Avtaar'-style Sachin -- but you do wish
the older melodramatic staples had been weeded out. (As Amitabh and
Hema walk towards separate taxicabs to begin their separate lives,
their pet dogs are taken in by a son who can't bear the thought of
keeping these canines apart. 'Tch-tch', we're meant to exclaim, he
cares about the dogs but not about his parents.) Preaching
old-fashioned family values is all very nice, but did the film itself
have to be so toothlessly old-fashioned?
virenpratapsingh
2003-10-09 06:11:36 UTC
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Post by Baradwaj Rangan
Baghban
Baradwaj Rangan
(C) The Economic Times, Madras Plus - Oct. 9, 2003
'Baghban' opens with shots of Amitabh Bachchan, silhouetted against a
golden sunlight, playing with his grandchild while his reassuring
baritone does a voice-over about how the rearing of a family is like a
gardener's tending to his plants. Taking this metaphor further, you
see that his own garden has yielded four apple-of-the-eye sons and
that he gazes with contented delight at his most beautiful of blooms
-- wife Hema Malini, who makes his tea, knots his tie as he leaves for
work, and greets him with a megawatt smile when he returns, saying,
"Aapke kadmon ki aahat se mere dil ki ghanti bajti hai."
After taking a nationwide drubbing for sullying his image with 'Boom'
-- an actor wanting to stretch... whoever heard of such a thing! --
Bachchan almost appears to be saying via these early events, "Sorry
about 'Boom', but here I am - once again a patriarch, once again
upholding Indian values. Please take me back into your hearts." And
your heart goes out to this demigod of Indian cinema, who now seems as
straitjacketed in Mellow Old Dad roles as he was in Angry Young Man
roles earlier.
But he does play these parts magnificently, and this time he's got the
age-defying Hema Malini by his side. Beautiful people in beautiful
houses doing beautiful things -- the first half-hour of 'Baghban',
save some grating product placements, is everything you go to the
movies for. The sheer enjoyment of seeing the leads back together on
screen after decades compensates for the sheer absence of anything
fresh or original.
Soon, Bachchan retires from work and the couple plans on staying, in
turns, with their sons. Only problem -- each son is willing to host
either the father or the mother, not both. Hema agrees to this
arrangement -- the following scene, where a miffed Amitabh refuses to
look her in the eye, then steals an aching glance as she leaves the
room, is quite moving -- and the rest of the film is about the
disappointed parents suffering at the hands of their sons (each one an
insensitive clod) and daughters-in-law (each one a pale,
passive-aggressive variant of Bindu).
It's easy to imagine, say, AK Hangal and Durga Khote undergoing these
miseries, but it's tough to see why people as self-possessed and
sophisticated as Amitabh and Hema would end up this way. And therein
lies the rub in 'Baghban' -- the casting of the leads and the
high-gloss setting of their lives just do not make the subsequent
events convincing. That these events are straight out of a
screaming-sixties' melodrama -- Hema is housed in a maidservant's
room, a son shells out money for his kid's expensive shoes but not for
Amitabh's broken spectacles, and so on -- makes things worse.
The latter portions are spiked intermittently by the lively Paresh
Rawal and Lilette Dubey (as friends of Amitabh's) and by the
occasionally-touching Amitabh-Hema love story (that's now carried on
through letters and phone calls), but it's otherwise a slow slog to an
inevitable end.
You don't mind being reminded of older films -- the 'Silsila'-style
Holi song, the 'Mahaan'-style over-the-telephone number, Salman Khan's
brief role as the faithful 'Avtaar'-style Sachin -- but you do wish
the older melodramatic staples had been weeded out. (As Amitabh and
Hema walk towards separate taxicabs to begin their separate lives,
their pet dogs are taken in by a son who can't bear the thought of
keeping these canines apart. 'Tch-tch', we're meant to exclaim, he
cares about the dogs but not about his parents.) Preaching
old-fashioned family values is all very nice, but did the film itself
have to be so toothlessly old-fashioned?
I havent seen the movie yet, but is that old-fashioned ? I thoiught
Ravi Chopra said he has adopted to modern sensibilities...also, how
does it compare with other family 'entertainers' like HSSH, OJJ, Ek
rishta..etc...

there has been praise for Amitabh in the movie(espeically considering
right after Boom)....I think his next movie is Santoshi's Khakee..
Baradwaj Rangan
2003-10-10 04:00:53 UTC
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Post by virenpratapsingh
I havent seen the movie yet, but is that old-fashioned ? I thoiught
Ravi Chopra said he has adopted to modern sensibilities...also, how
does it compare with other family 'entertainers' like HSSH, OJJ, Ek
rishta..etc...
I thought so. In Ek Rishta, for instance, there is a conflict between
father and son, but that was nicely done. You didn't think either AB
or Akshay was wrong -- pig-headed, maybe, but not wrong. Here, no
attempt has been made to make the sons anything but pigs, and a lot of
the older films had such extreme black-and-white cases. So the odds
are stacked up unevenly -- Amitabh and Hema are the pure ones and the
sons and DILs are stinkers. That's painfully old-fashioned. But even
that's not so bad as the scenes that have been moulded after those old
tearjerkers, like when AB wants to ask his son permission to call HM
but the son walks away before he can finish the sentence or when the
family goes out to eat (without AB) and Ab is stuck at home with an
empty refrigerator. (And I mean *empty*, there not even an ice tray
IIRC :-)).

OJJ was not very good, but that at least tried to examine the
relevance of our 'sanskaar' in a society that had moved on to
computers and the American dream. So the Do Raaste fundas -- DIL who
breaks up a family etc. -- at least had a modern subtext.

HSSH was pure sugar. I couldn't even take that seriously. K3G had
old-fashioned values, but that at least looked terrific!
Post by virenpratapsingh
there has been praise for Amitabh in the movie(espeically considering
right after Boom)....I think his next movie is Santoshi's Khakee..
Yes, AB's very good here, though he can probably play these roles now
in his sleep. I thought he was great in Boom too, but we all know what
the consensus on that has been :-)

That Lara Dutta item no. from Khakee looks FABULOUS, BTW. I mean the
colours and the lighting and the lady herself...

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When Ravi Chopra says he's brought in modern sensibilities, I guess
he's talking about this scene: HM has an argument with her
granddaughter (Rimi Sen, from Hungama in a 1-1/2 bit role) about her
going out late in the night. As expected, Rimi snubs HM and carries
on. She goes to a disco and dances with a guy, who later tries to
fondle her and when she resists he forces himself on her, accusing her
of leading him on with short skirts and now acting like a sati
savitri. What happens next? Well, he's given a tight slap by HM, who's
followed Rimi all the way here, and he scampers away after getting a
lecture from her.

Your eyes don't just roll, they spin madly during this scene! :-)
virenpratapsingh
2003-10-10 17:22:33 UTC
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Post by virenpratapsingh
I havent seen the movie yet, but is that old-fashioned ? I thoiught
Ravi Chopra said he has adopted to modern sensibilities...also, how
does it compare with other family 'entertainers' like HSSH, OJJ, Ek
rishta..etc...
I thought so. In Ek Rishta, for instance, there is a conflict between
father and son, but that was nicely done. You didn't think either AB
or Akshay was wrong -- pig-headed, maybe, but not wrong. Here, no
attempt has been made to make the sons anything but pigs, and a lot of
the older films had such extreme black-and-white cases. So the odds
are stacked up unevenly -- Amitabh and Hema are the pure ones and the
sons and DILs are stinkers. That's painfully old-fashioned. But even
that's not so bad as the scenes that have been moulded after those old
tearjerkers, like when AB wants to ask his son permission to call HM
but the son walks away before he can finish the sentence or when the
family goes out to eat (without AB) and Ab is stuck at home with an
empty refrigerator. (And I mean *empty*, there not even an ice tray
IIRC :-)).
Actually, a lot of people dont have a good opinion about Ek rishta,
but I sorta liked it and thats basically for the plot and some of the
reasons you mentioned above...mind you, the movie gets unbelievably
corny at times(the whole thing about Akshay Kumar going into the
market and borrowing money and then AB saying 'mere naam ki vajah
se..blah blah blah..)..but the basic plot of Ek rishta was quite
good....Had it been handled by a better director(and not one of the
darshan brothers) it would have been far better as a movie...

and if you think about it, even Ek rishta had the same problems as you
are mentioning about Baghban when it comes to the sons and bahus...I
mean barring Akshay Kumar, look at Mohnish Behl and Juhi Chawla and
Karishma Kapoor...carborad cut-outs if you ask me....
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
OJJ was not very good, but that at least tried to examine the
relevance of our 'sanskaar' in a society that had moved on to
computers and the American dream. So the Do Raaste fundas -- DIL who
breaks up a family etc. -- at least had a modern subtext.
OJJ was a decent effort, but on hindsight not a decent effort from
someone as talented as Anupam Kher...but nonetheless, the plot was
quite believeable(the modern-day conflict between 3 brothers)..and the
acting...other than that, it was cheesy too.
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
HSSH was pure sugar. I couldn't even take that seriously. K3G had
old-fashioned values, but that at least looked terrific!
HSSH and K3G are nothing but fake in my opinion....HSSH is a joke and
K3G is the same, but because of the 3 stalwarts(AB, SRK, Hrithik) you
can watch it...the three ladies in K3G are *unbearable*..Kajol for her
over the top and hamming performance...Kareena for her most annoying
role...and Jaya Bachchan for crying like she never did on a hindi
screen...
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Post by virenpratapsingh
there has been praise for Amitabh in the movie(espeically considering
right after Boom)....I think his next movie is Santoshi's Khakee..
Yes, AB's very good here, though he can probably play these roles now
in his sleep. I thought he was great in Boom too, but we all know what
the consensus on that has been :-)
Yeah, Boom I dont know..havent seen it and probably will never see
it...but, from what I have read, Bachchan is at fault here..period...I
just cant imagine what made him choose this movie...and what a
coincidence, look at the difference in Baghban and Boom when it comes
to his character....I say Baghban comes as a saviour as if saying I am
still your old Amitabh...however, I have to say that his patriarch
roles is getting overdone(just as people expolited his angry young man
back in the 70's and 80's and nobody could ever do it as good as
salim-javed or a yash chopra.) and now he should stop with this
ekrishtas and baghbans and k3gs...if you think about it, even
sooryavansham was quite similar.
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
That Lara Dutta item no. from Khakee looks FABULOUS, BTW. I mean the
colours and the lighting and the lady herself...
I havent seen that, but that vada raha song is making some hype...But
based on the looks of Khakee, I think there are going to be the same
problems with Khakee as with Lajja...overly commercialized for no
reason for a hard hitting subject, some lack of subtlety for overlay
dramatic scenes and here, all the guys(Amitabh, akshay, ajay) have a
larger-than-life image..I wonder who Santoshi is going to handle
it...lets see.
Baradwaj Rangan
2003-10-11 05:40:02 UTC
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Post by Baradwaj Rangan
That Lara Dutta item no. from Khakee looks FABULOUS, BTW. I mean the
colours and the lighting and the lady herself...
I havent seen that, but that vada raha song is making some hype...But
based on the looks of Khakee, I think there are going to be the same
problems with Khakee as with Lajja...overly commercialized for no
reason for a hard hitting subject, some lack of subtlety for overlay
dramatic scenes and here, all the guys(Amitabh, akshay, ajay) have a
larger-than-life image..I wonder who Santoshi is going to handle
it...lets see.
I actually thought Lajja wasn't bad at all. It may have made a better
film if it had been less glamourous, but even taken as what it
ultimately was -- a very 'masala' product -- it had enough going for
it. I especially liked Madhuri's segment. And I liked the way women's
empowerment was shown through little things, like Rekha's computer
literacy efforts. I'd say santoshi was 50% on target on this film,
then lost his way.
virenpratapsingh
2003-10-11 16:03:15 UTC
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Post by virenpratapsingh
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
That Lara Dutta item no. from Khakee looks FABULOUS, BTW. I mean the
colours and the lighting and the lady herself...
I havent seen that, but that vada raha song is making some hype...But
based on the looks of Khakee, I think there are going to be the same
problems with Khakee as with Lajja...overly commercialized for no
reason for a hard hitting subject, some lack of subtlety for overlay
dramatic scenes and here, all the guys(Amitabh, akshay, ajay) have a
larger-than-life image..I wonder who Santoshi is going to handle
it...lets see.
I actually thought Lajja wasn't bad at all. It may have made a better
film if it had been less glamourous, but even taken as what it
ultimately was -- a very 'masala' product --
exactly, that was what the problem I had with Lajja...I never
expected(or went into the movie) thinking Lajja was a masala movie..I
kept Damini in mind and went in and definitely it is no comaprison..I
am not saying it was bad, but not good either....Urmila coming out of
nowehere and then Sonali Bendre coming out of nowhere...thieves with a
heart of gold, sadistic husbands running after their wives once they
realize they have a 'waaris'..pretty much carboard cut out characters,
probably just like the characters in these family entertainers like
baghban, ek rishta and ojj..but this was still ok...the final nail in
the coffin was the Ajay Devgan's superman act!..."Hum Yahan samaj mein
bahut peeche rahat hai, lekin usulon mein thoda uncha"...Lol.

it had enough going for
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
it. I especially liked Madhuri's segment. And I liked the way women's
empowerment was shown through little things, like Rekha's computer
literacy efforts. I'd say santoshi was 50% on target on this film,
then lost his way.
Madhuri's acting was quite good...Infact the ladies were quite
good...Mahima was also quite good in that final scene..."uth
jayenge..to uth jao"...and Anil's comedy and humour was also quite
good...this episode was also a little commericalized(probably just for
Anil), but was decent..
Madhuri's episode had some fiery dialogues and that too written from
the heart by RKS, but what happens after that ? just because she says
something about 'Shree Ram', she has to be a victim of a stampede..how
hard-htting is that! What I mean is, there was no solution...

Rekha's episode was also quite chilling until Devgan walked in(mind
you, it was his character that was bad)...and finally the whole climax
was stupid...and what was the solution ? so, it was quite hurried and
not with a clear message...I mean, in the same year Benegal's Hari
Bhari and Mundra's Bawandar showing the plight of women were far more
effective...hey, if I want to see Anil, Madhuri, Manisha etc in masala
movies, there were umpteen movies...probably RKS forgot, that Damini
is considered his best effort because he made a genuine movie out of a
genuine script.
Habshi
2003-10-11 21:15:12 UTC
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Lajja is a supreb movie and gets better with each viewing .

Shishir Yerramilli
2003-10-10 20:18:43 UTC
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Post by Baradwaj Rangan
Post by virenpratapsingh
I havent seen the movie yet, but is that old-fashioned ? I thoiught
Ravi Chopra said he has adopted to modern sensibilities...also, how
does it compare with other family 'entertainers' like HSSH, OJJ, Ek
rishta..etc...
I thought so. In Ek Rishta, for instance, there is a conflict between
father and son, but that was nicely done. You didn't think either AB
or Akshay was wrong -- pig-headed, maybe, but not wrong. Here, no
attempt has been made to make the sons anything but pigs, and a lot of
the older films had such extreme black-and-white cases. So the odds
are stacked up unevenly -- Amitabh and Hema are the pure ones and the
sons and DILs are stinkers. That's painfully old-fashioned. But even
that's not so bad as the scenes that have been moulded after those old
tearjerkers, like when AB wants to ask his son permission to call HM
but the son walks away before he can finish the sentence or when the
family goes out to eat (without AB) and Ab is stuck at home with an
empty refrigerator. (And I mean *empty*, there not even an ice tray
IIRC :-)).
Well,seems hackneyed on screen but there are actually Indian parents
who are horribly mistreated by their children in places like Canada.I
have heard quite a few horror stories myself.Having said that,I didnt
actually see the film as it is the kind of movie I would watch.My
parents saw it and quite enjoyed it as I expect parents would!
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
OJJ was not very good, but that at least tried to examine the
relevance of our 'sanskaar' in a society that had moved on to
computers and the American dream. So the Do Raaste fundas -- DIL who
breaks up a family etc. -- at least had a modern subtext.
In OJJ,atleast Urmilas character wasnt a complete shrew,neither were
Fardeen Khan or Abhishek Bachchan shown in simplistic terms.They just
didnt seem to understand the big deal about their heritage which a lot
of young people dont.Urmila was being unsentimental more than anything
else,not even really rebellious.But I beleive OJJ couldve been better
made,it dragged on too much.
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
HSSH was pure sugar. I couldn't even take that seriously. K3G had
old-fashioned values, but that at least looked terrific!
What I dont understand about K3G is that it is made by an
urbane,suave,possibly homosexual(hence quite likely subversive by
nature) young male.I doubt if Karan Johar seriously beleives the stuff
he made.Which goes to show that most directors dont really stand for
anything,they are not interested in projecting their viewpoint even
cleverly disguised as subtext or metaphor but are only interested in
making money.
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
Post by virenpratapsingh
there has been praise for Amitabh in the movie(espeically considering
right after Boom)....I think his next movie is Santoshi's Khakee..
Khakee is one of the five movies that is based on Mumbai encounter
cop Daya Nayak.Two others being Madhur Bhandarkars Aan and RGV
produced Ab Tak Chhapan with Nana Patekar.
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
Yes, AB's very good here, though he can probably play these roles now
in his sleep. I thought he was great in Boom too, but we all know what
the consensus on that has been :-)
That Lara Dutta item no. from Khakee looks FABULOUS, BTW. I mean the
colours and the lighting and the lady herself...
SPOILER...
When Ravi Chopra says he's brought in modern sensibilities, I guess
he's talking about this scene: HM has an argument with her
granddaughter (Rimi Sen, from Hungama in a 1-1/2 bit role) about her
going out late in the night. As expected, Rimi snubs HM and carries
on. She goes to a disco and dances with a guy, who later tries to
fondle her and when she resists he forces himself on her, accusing her
of leading him on with short skirts and now acting like a sati
savitri. What happens next? Well, he's given a tight slap by HM, who's
followed Rimi all the way here, and he scampers away after getting a
lecture from her.
Your eyes don't just roll, they spin madly during this scene! :-)
Exactly!Are we to beleive that just because a woman dressed
revealingly ,she wil be raped?!In Europe and South America which is
more liberal than U.S.A when it comes to sexuality/nudity the crime
rate for rape is quite low.How come those women are not victims of
avoiding sanskaar ,after all modesty is quite a Christian virtue!
These type of movies give a very sick message that the woman herself
is responsible for her rape(I understand thats often what raped women
feel).It is perverse beyond anything I can imagine.This is the type of
crap that Bollywood tries to pass off as family values!
BTW as far as I can remember ,a similar thing to occur in Hollywood
movies most recently was in John Woos Face Off,where John Travolta's
promiscuous daughter is almost raped by her date,she was rescued by
Nicholas Cage masquerading as Travolta.Maybe this can be attributed to
Woo's conservative Lutheran background.
Baradwaj Rangan
2003-10-11 05:35:50 UTC
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Well,seems hackneyed on screen but there are actually Indian parents
who are horribly mistreated by their children in places like Canada.I
have heard quite a few horror stories myself.Having said that,I didnt
actually see the film as it is the kind of movie I would watch.My
parents saw it and quite enjoyed it as I expect parents would!
Yes, the older generation(s) will possibly love the film. I heard of
people sobbing uncontrollably.
Post by Shishir Yerramilli
What I dont understand about K3G is that it is made by an
urbane,suave,possibly homosexual(hence quite likely subversive by
nature) young male.I doubt if Karan Johar seriously beleives the stuff
he made.Which goes to show that most directors dont really stand for
anything,they are not interested in projecting their viewpoint even
cleverly disguised as subtext or metaphor but are only interested in
making money.
I read someplace that Johar as a kid was influenced by the big posters
of multistarrers (that were so prevalent in the 70s), and he said he'd
make one of them when he grew up. Hence K3G.
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