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Review: Disco Dancer
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Muffy St. Bernard
2004-07-29 14:07:37 UTC
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Disco Dancer, 1982
Starring: Mithun Chakraborty, Kim, Rajesh Khanna
Music by Bappi Lahiri
Produced & Directed by B. Subhash

My critics often ask two questions:

1) Muffy, why don't I wear more black eye shadow right above your false
eyelashes, to give you a more dramatic look?

2) Don't your reviews simply exaggerate the wackier aspects of Indian
movies, and imply that Western movies in the same genre do not contain
similar moments of total, glorious lunacy? Do you honestly believe that a
Bollywood spy film like "Great Gambler" or "Shaan" is crazier than -- say --
your average James Bond flick?

I refuse to answer the first question because it's personal (and how dare
you ask, masher!), and I don't know anything about James Bond so I can't
give a really good answer to the second question. But you might ask the same
thing about the 80's film "Disco Dancer," a sort of benchmark for
aficionados of wacky Bollywood: is it any more ridiculous than Hollywood
kitsch classics such as "T.G.I.F." or "Can't Stop The Music?" Or, more to
the point, I can imagine people gearing up into a frenzy of pre-review
indignation: "Muffy, are you going to pick on 'Disco Dancer' just because it
was made in India? Why are you so snobby and ethnocentric? Why don't you
take advice from people who really KNOW how to apply cosmetics? WHY DO YOU
HATE US SO MUCH?!?"

Before you get all defensive, let me put on my glittery burgundy thinking
cap for a moment and try to answer your question in a way that isn't stupid.
Superficially, Western disco movies are just as laughable and tasteless as
"Disco Dancer"...the costumes are ugly, the plots are vapid, and watching
Steve Gutenberg frolick with The Village People is a grotesque thing, that's
for sure. But Indian films like "Disco Dancer" exceed Hollywood's own disco
wackiness in a few important ways: they have an almost religious level of
sincerity, endless layers of melodrama, a lack of technical skill and -- to
top it all off -- the fact that by the time "Disco Dancer" came out, much of
the rest of the world was already trying to forget that the whole disco
thing had happened. Kids wearing "Boney M" T-shirts in the early 80's got
lynched on the streets, and they probably deserved it too.

India in 1982, however, must have been going through absolute disco fever.
Like the Hindi-Go-Go films of the 60's, Indian filmmakers didn't seem to
know exactly what disco dancing entailed -- was it really just Mithun
Chakraborty lying on the ground and randomly kicking his feet in the air,
and does a man need to look GOOD in his outfit in order to be taken
seriously? -- but they threw themselves into the movie with such gusto that
you can't help but wish that disco -- or at least this strange, enthusiastic
version of it -- were back in style. Though perhaps not anywhere nearby.
Maybe just in India again. Somewhere far away.

In Hollywood, disco movies were always about vapid, superficial people with
some measure of talent trying to become famous, presumably to support their
drug habit (or their skinny girlfriend's drug habit). But that sort of plot
was deemed WAY too superficial for Bollywood when they got around to making
this film. The plot must be inspiring, tragic, and beautiful! So they
pulled together a disco hero, a disco heroine, and (most importantly) a very
cruel disco villain. They also needed a devoted and self-sacrificing mother
and a lifetime of trauma and arrested development. Then they threw Bappi
Lahiri in there -- to lay a pastiche of stolen Western songs over tinny
synthesized bips, bongs, and laser zaps -- and they didn't just end up with
a disco MOVIE, they had a disco EPIC...one that turns a flippant dance floor
trend into a life-sustaining form of religion. One that finally explains the
TRUE meaning of disco: it's not a WORD, apparently, it's an ACRONYM, and it
stands for...well, "Dance, Item, Singer, Chorus & Orchestra."

Hmmm. Well, that part of the disco religion falls a little flat. But the
rest is a gem! As BollyGord -- our newest film-loving member -- said so
aptly about "Disco Dancer," "It's the future of the 70's...in the 80's!"

All disco messiahs need a tragic past (otherwise they end up like the
aforementioned Steve Gutenberg: idly plinking away at the keyboard in an
expensive loft and wishing he could afford a bigger coke spoon) and little
Jimmy is no exception. He's grown up in the sort of an environment that
would leave most people bitter, hateful, and prematurely aged. He lives in
Bombay with his mother and spends his days busking with Raju (Rajesh
Khanna), a man who occasionally taps his fingers on Jimmy's disturbingly
scrotal bongos...and perhaps by doing so manages to instill Jimmy with some
good, strong life lessons: the meek will inherit the earth and everybody
should be happy with the way things are.

When you hear poor people say things like that near the beginning of an
Indian film, you know they're going to face some pretty tough times,
probably sooner than later.

In the moments when Jimmy isn't being hand-fed by Raju he is spending time
at home being hand-fed by his mother, which seems a little odd because he is
definitely old enough to feed himself. When, 18 years later, Jimmy is STILL
being hand-fed by his mother -- in front of his adoring fans, no less -- you
start to wonder why more kids in India don't turn into helpless, atrophied,
breast-sucking agoraphobics.

Jimmy -- who himself has never seen a fork or spoon -- has the hots for
Ritu, the daughter of the evil villain next door. This villain -- named Mr.
P. N. Oberoi -- is so vicious that he keeps a stick next to his front gate
specifically to beat visitors with. When Jimmy tries to teach Ritu how to
play her guitar, Mr. Oberoi goes on a mad child-slapping spree of a sort
seen frequently in Walmart but rarely on the silver screen. He also throws a
sucker-punch at Jimmy's mom and sends her toppling to the ground...and then
to jail, unfairly branded a thief. She becomes the star of a daily "slum
parade" in the poor section of town...I've heard that everybody loves a
parade, but not when it consists of a mob that follows your mom around
yelling that she's a thief. This makes Jimmy fighting mad and is the
beginning of a mealtime grudge that lasts him well into adulthood, even
after they've moved to another town.

Some ex-Bombay slum-dwellers turn to drugs, but not Jimmy...he turns to
something far more addictive and destructive: disco. In his bedroom, under a
poster of a comparatively handsome and talented John Travolta, Jimmy does a
sort of awkward, crippled, over-sexed but extremely honest hybrid of disco
and interpretive goth dance. During the day he sings happy songs to newly
married couples and he takes particular joy -- you would too -- serenading a
very fat woman who has just married a dwarf. You knew there had to be a fat
woman and a dwarf, didn't you? If you weren't 100% sure I bet you were
hoping.

Jimmy is not the only Disco Dancer in town. A mean man named Sam has claimed
the disco crown for himself (along with the testicle-squashing jumpsuit
which comes with the territory). He and his dance partner smile a lot and
are able to jump out of their bodies using a form of astral projection, but
that doesn't mean they're good dancers...in fact, Sam is the worst dancer
I've ever seen, even at weddings. His awkwardness cannot be captured in
still images. He moves like a drunken uncle with an inner ear infection
while dancing to "Koi Yahan Nache," a blatant rip-off of "Video Killed The
Radio Star." Still, his fans seem to love him, and huge crowds of them --
dubbed by two women who say "hello, hello, autograph, hello" over and over
again -- chase him all around town.

In the Green Room, his manager -- David Brown -- finally gets sick of Sam's
womanizing sleaziness. Or maybe it isn't the womanizing he's fed up
with...maybe he's annoyed by Sam's habit of always referring to himself in
the third person. After walking out on a steamy scene with a thermos in the
background, David Brown decides he needs new talent. Guess who he chooses to
manage next? No, not Donna Summer -- she gave up disco YEARS ago, along with
the rest of the Western hemisphere! He spots Jimmy prancing all alone down a
dark alley -- high on the disco drug -- and it becomes obvious: Jimmy will
be a star.

It doesn't look good at first, though, At Jimmy's stage debut, Sam's bitter
dance partner tries to disrupt the performance by showing off her fantastic
gold boots and cryptically shouting "We won't listen to the Street Smart!"
But the fickle crowd DOES listen -- the guy in the snazzy blue jumpsuit is
particularly enthralled -- and before you know it Jimmy is teaching the
audience how to disco dance with a rollicking game of Simon Says. Going
further than any disco dancer has ever gone before, he also rolls on the
ground, girlishly kicking his feet in a way that isn't supposed to be gay
but is. Mithun's disco experience is primarily about rolling around on the
ground. At one point a gaggle of women poke him affectionately in the
belly...is this perhaps the Indian interpretation of "the Polka?"

As David Brown says at the end of the number: "Jimmy, YOU HAVE DONE IT!"
Bombay is instantly consumed with Jimmy fever: Jimmy ice cream! Jimmy
chocolate! Jimmy fabrics! Jimmy T-shirts and perfumes! But the disco dancer
doesn't let success go to his head...that would make him a multi-dimensional
character. He still spends much of his time being hand-fed by his mother,
and when he manages to slip away from her he engages in coy fights with
Sam's resentful dance partner, who he drags around by the back of her knee
(a technique familiar to fans of Harpo Marx). He also threatens to autograph
his name on her lips, which would be tragic for such a beautiful woman (even
if her "brain stinks of wealth.")

But guess what? Sam's partner is actually Ritu...the daughter of that
horrible villain from the beginning of the movie! Since the villain has a
vested interest in Sam's career (and doesn't want to see his daughter
hanging around with such a disco-dancing, mommy's boy piece of trash), he
spends the rest of the movie trying to kill Jimmy. And everybody knows that
the best way to kill a disco dancer in India is by putting a Greek and an
Australian on the job.

The Greek is Vasco. His gang of finger-poppin' "West Side Story" thugs learn
the hard way that you shouldn't break Jimmy's guitar. Transforming from
disco dancer to disco fighter in the blink of an eye, Jimmy sends the
members of Vasco's gang flying into those beautifully-arranged piles of
loose bricks that you always see in Bollywood fight scenes. The gang member
who drove Jimmy into this ambush will forever mourn the day he learned the
secret code signal that started the fight: 22 erratic, disjointed honks of
his car horn. For completists, here is the signal as I understood it,
expressed in Morse Code dashes and dots:

"-..-- --..- .-.. ...- .-.-"

The Australian is, of course, the burly and bald-headed hero of the BollyBob
Society, Mr. Bob Christo himself! In this movie Bob plays a more menacing
role than usual, strikingly attired in a black turtleneck and a pair of
wrap-around shades. His most powerful fighting technique is something I
think of as "the Christo Claw," which means tensing your hand up like a
bird's talon and then touching another person's face. It doesn't look like
much, but the victims of this technique scream a lot.

Bob never gets a chance to use "the Christo Claw" on Jimmy...he's just not
fast enough and he's not the hero of the movie (as much as we BollyBobs wish
he were...hint-hint, Aditya Chopra!) Nope, Jimmy sends the foreign tough
guys packing, and then totally ruins a young girl's birthday party by
telling everybody there about how horrible his childhood was. When he
repeatedly refers to himself as an orphan, nobody has the nerve to tell him
that his mother is standing right next to him (with a handful of birthday
cake ready to shove into his mouth), but that must be because Jimmy is such
a big star. After all, every woman in town has a picture of Jimmy in his
"Krishna Pigeon" outfit under their pillows, which isn't surprising because
every other man in town looks pretty ugly.

We get to see Jimmy "perform" several times, occasionally backed up by four
chubby sax players that I think of as "The Tower Of Pigtails." He also
performs with a bunch of men wearing shower-curtain capes; he dances around
Krishna's crown and what appears to be an enormous golden dosa. During one
song at the peak of his career -- where he again lies on his stomach and
kicks his feet like the sassy coquette he is -- he wears a headband with
zebra-striped horns on it...you know, the usual disco stuff.

Even though the actual DANCING in the movie rarely even approaches disco --
it's more like an aerobic routine performed by easily-bored people who are
perpetually off-balance -- the MUSIC is certainly disco music. The problem
is, it's BAD disco music. Other than the plaintive "Jimmy Jimmy" number --
sung by Ritu, at last repentant and wearing pants that I can only describe
as "hot slacks" -- the songs are bland and forgettable, the beats
repetitive, the playback singing dull and unemotional. If it weren't for the
outrageous costumes, horrible dancing, and the strange camera lens which
turns every image into a fly's-eye-view of a pile of vomit, the song
sequences would be very painful indeed.

But it's later in the film -- at the "Internationalntie Of Dance
Competition" (yes, that's what the sign says) -- that the dancing reaches
its pinnacle. I am of course talking about the must-see performance by the
"Disco King & Queen Of Africa," who appear to be an epileptic man and a very
bored secretary respectively. If "Disco Dancer" were only this single
30-second dance routine -- and perhaps the brief performance by the "Disco
King & Queen Of Paris" as well -- the film would deserve its title on that
basis alone, and it would have earned its place in the upper ranks of Fun
Bad Bollywood Films.

You won't cry when you watch "Disco Dancer." You won't find yourself feeling
a deep personal identification with Jimmy (permanently morose and sulky),
Ritu (as much personality as a bug or a fish) or Jimmy's mom (so much of a
martyr you wish her sari would get caught in somebody's car door, because
that's obviously the sort of suffering she desires). There's very little to
like about the music, and the fight scenes are just plain bad. But what
makes "Disco Dancer" so special, really? Why does it have such a reputation
amongst afficionados of Bollywood kitsch? How did it manage to inspire a
song by Devo, a group of people already so kitschy and over-the-top that
they'd seem to require no further inspiration for their music?

Besides the usual explosive Bollywood bombast, it's that the film takes
disco so darn SERIOUSLY. You can make a movie about hip-hop and have the
music be a SYMBOL for something important. You can do the same thing with
blues, jazz, swing, and any number of other styles of music or dance
throughout history. But DISCO? Come on fellows, the idea alone is funny. All
disco ever inspired anybody to do was have sex, take pills for their STD's,
then go out and have more sex. I'm just glad that India made at least one
movie about it before the fad ran its course.

The sequel, of course, left Disco behind: "Rock Dancer," featuring Samantha
Fox. The less said about it the better.

LATE-BREAKING NEWS!

Forget all about that Stephen Hawking stuff, we've made a really important
discovery! After hours of scrutinizing the Disco Dancer screenshots --
under controlled conditions, of course -- our experts let out a surprised
gasp: could it really be? Sitting on the table in Sam's love-pad? Is
that...A THERMOS???

Indeed it was! We have made a crucial find that will force us to reevaluate
the entire history of thermoses in India. Disco Dancer was released in
1982, meaning that this is the most recent thermos discovered in an Indian
film.

If you've seen a thermos in an Indian film, please let us know! And if it's
in a film released after 1982 you might have made an even more important
discovery than this one! Imagine!

Muffy St. Bernard
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff
yeskay
2004-07-29 16:08:29 UTC
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Post by Muffy St. Bernard
{This review is best seen in its native habitat -- with lots of screenshots
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff/bollybob/rdisco.html
Kids wearing "Boney M" T-shirts in the early 80's got
lynched on the streets, and they probably deserved it too.
I remember Boney M being a hot fav of disco bands in late 70s/early 80s
in India,
which was later dismantled by 'ABBA'..
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
India in 1982, however, must have been going through absolute disco fever.
Hardly, I should say.
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
Like the Hindi-Go-Go films of the 60's, Indian filmmakers didn't seem to
know exactly what disco dancing entailed -- was it really just Mithun
Chakraborty lying on the ground and randomly kicking his feet in the air,
I think that was showmanship, not just dance. I have seen a stones'
concert which has Mikey
just running from one end of the stage to the other.
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
Jimmy is not the only Disco Dancer in town. A mean man named Sam has claimed
the disco crown for himself (along with the testicle-squashing jumpsuit
which comes with the territory). He and his dance partner smile a lot and
are able to jump out of their bodies using a form of astral projection, but
that doesn't mean they're good dancers...in fact, Sam is the worst dancer
I've ever seen, even at weddings. His awkwardness cannot be captured in
still images. He moves like a drunken uncle with an inner ear infection
while dancing to "Koi Yahan Nache," a blatant rip-off of "Video Killed The
Radio Star." Still, his fans seem to love him, and huge crowds of them --
Sam is played by 'Karan Razdan' who is directing sleazy B-grade movies
in Hindi these days.
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
Even though the actual DANCING in the movie rarely even approaches disco --
it's more like an aerobic routine performed by easily-bored people who are
perpetually off-balance -- the MUSIC is certainly disco music. The problem
is, it's BAD disco music. Other than the plaintive "Jimmy Jimmy" number --
sung by Ritu, at last repentant and wearing pants that I can only describe
as "hot slacks" -- the songs are bland and forgettable, the beats
repetitive, the playback singing dull and unemotional. If it weren't for the
outrageous costumes, horrible dancing, and the strange camera lens which
turns every image into a fly's-eye-view of a pile of vomit, the song
sequences would be very painful indeed.
I think the songs became a rage and Bhappi came into the big league of
MDs with this score.
'Jimmu Jimmy' is also a plagiarised version of a Boney M song (?) ,
'Rocky, Goodbye'.
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
If you've seen a thermos in an Indian film, please let us know! And
if it's
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
in a film released after 1982 you might have made an even more important
discovery than this one! Imagine!
Muffy St. Bernard
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff
ROTFL. I think there is so much of 'gained in translation', if there is
such a term.
Please post a review of 'Dance Dance' which you can call a 'Break Dance
Epic'.
is also an ugly rip-off of a cheesy Hollywood film 'Fast Forward'.
Gafoor
2004-07-29 16:25:44 UTC
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Post by yeskay
I think the songs became a rage and Bhappi came into the big league of
MDs with this score.
'Jimmu Jimmy' is also a plagiarised version of a Boney M song (?) ,
'Rocky, Goodbye'.
No. It's a plagarised version of the Ottawan song "You'r OK".

http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/ottawan/

I think all the songs of that movie are copied from Ottawan songs.

Ottawan has a song called D.I.S.C.O, whose concept is copied
in a similiar song in the movie.
Post by yeskay
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
If you've seen a thermos in an Indian film, please let us know! And
if it's
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
in a film released after 1982 you might have made an even more
important discovery than this one! Imagine!
Muffy St. Bernard
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff
ROTFL. I think there is so much of 'gained in translation', if there
is such a term.
Please post a review of 'Dance Dance' which you can call a 'Break
Dance Epic'.
is also an ugly rip-off of a cheesy Hollywood film 'Fast Forward'.
Muffy St. Bernard
2004-07-29 17:10:06 UTC
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"yeskay" <***@nowhere.com> wrote in message > I remember Boney M being a
hot fav of disco bands in late 70s/early 80s
Post by yeskay
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
India in 1982, however, must have been going through absolute disco fever.
Hardly, I should say.
No? That was a real shot in the dark on my part. Was there never an Indian
"disco phenomenon?" Did this movie just jump out of nowhere, and then
disappear again without influencing music, fashion and dance?
Post by yeskay
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
Like the Hindi-Go-Go films of the 60's, Indian filmmakers didn't seem to
know exactly what disco dancing entailed -- was it really just Mithun
Chakraborty lying on the ground and randomly kicking his feet in the air,
I think that was showmanship, not just dance. I have seen a stones'
concert which has Mikey
just running from one end of the stage to the other.
For real joy, watch the Talking Heads concert film "Stop Making Sense,"
where a large amount of David Byrne's dancing is actually...well, jogging.
But it's wonderful, as is Mithun's showmanship.

Mick Jagger running from one end of the stage to another has never gotten me
very excited, though.
Post by yeskay
Sam is played by 'Karan Razdan' who is directing sleazy B-grade movies
in Hindi these days.
Aha, wonderful! I'll need to look into this further...
Post by yeskay
ROTFL. I think there is so much of 'gained in translation', if there is
such a term.
Please post a review of 'Dance Dance' which you can call a 'Break Dance
Epic'.
is also an ugly rip-off of a cheesy Hollywood film 'Fast Forward'.
My God, that sounds good...if I can find it I will pick it up!

Muffy.
yeskay
2004-07-29 18:05:51 UTC
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Post by Muffy St. Bernard
No? That was a real shot in the dark on my part. Was there never an Indian
"disco phenomenon?" Did this movie just jump out of nowhere, and then
disappear again without influencing music, fashion and dance?
Actually I think this movie made Disco mainstream. Earlier to that it
was popular among the elite.
This movie and the music became a rage and the MD (Bhappi Lahiri) belted
one Disco classic
after another in most of the films later. Disco fever caught on with the
Hindi films after this
movie was released. I remember a song that goes 'Main ek Disco, Tu ek
Disco, Duniya hain
ek Disco' (translation: I am a Disco, You are a Disco, The whole world's
a Disco).
Can you beat that?

I don't think the Indian movies relate to Disco like the Hollywood ones.
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
Post by yeskay
ROTFL. I think there is so much of 'gained in translation', if there is
such a term.
Please post a review of 'Dance Dance' which you can call a 'Break Dance
Epic'.
is also an ugly rip-off of a cheesy Hollywood film 'Fast Forward'.
My God, that sounds good...if I can find it I will pick it up!
Muffy.
http://www.indiandvdwala.com/uk/sortdetail.asp?titleId=1894
Cricfan
2004-07-30 04:39:33 UTC
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Post by yeskay
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
No? That was a real shot in the dark on my part. Was there never an Indian
"disco phenomenon?" Did this movie just jump out of nowhere, and then
disappear again without influencing music, fashion and dance?
Actually I think this movie made Disco mainstream. Earlier to that it
was popular among the elite.
This movie and the music became a rage and the MD (Bhappi Lahiri) belted
one Disco classic
after another in most of the films later. Disco fever caught on with the
Hindi films after this
movie was released. I remember a song that goes 'Main ek Disco, Tu ek
Disco, Duniya hain
ek Disco' (translation: I am a Disco, You are a Disco, The whole world's
a Disco).
Can you beat that?
Actually, the song "Aap jaisa koi" made the disco music movement
mainstream in HFM. Before that there was Lipsync and Boney-M in India.
:-)

There was another Reena Roy song "Disco Station" from Haathkadi.

Cheers
Arun
Baradwaj Rangan
2004-07-30 12:05:46 UTC
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Post by Cricfan
There was another Reena Roy song "Disco Station" from Haathkadi.
No, that was actually "Disco Sta-hay-hay-hay-shun Disco" :-)
yeskay
2004-07-30 13:59:07 UTC
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Post by Cricfan
Actually, the song "Aap jaisa koi" made the disco music movement
mainstream in HFM. Before that there was Lipsync and Boney-M in India.
:-)
Yes, but music-wise DD was more of a trend-setter. A movie that ran for
its Disco
music alone, and ofcourse Mithun's showmanship.
Post by Cricfan
There was another Reena Roy song "Disco Station" from Haathkadi.
Hathkadi was also releeased in 1982 as was DD. The music of both were by BL.
He might have worked on the two at the same time.
Post by Cricfan
Cheers
Arun
Shalini Razdan
2004-07-30 23:13:07 UTC
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Post by yeskay
Post by Cricfan
Actually, the song "Aap jaisa koi" made the disco music movement
mainstream in HFM. Before that there was Lipsync and Boney-M in India.
:-)
Yes, but music-wise DD was more of a trend-setter. A movie that ran for
its Disco
music alone, and ofcourse Mithun's showmanship.
Post by Cricfan
There was another Reena Roy song "Disco Station" from Haathkadi.
Hathkadi was also releeased in 1982 as was DD. The music of both were by BL.
He might have worked on the two at the same time.
Another movie from same time frame with a similar theme was "Star." Unlike,
DD however, "Star" actually had *good* disco music - if such a thing exists
that is. :-)

Shalini
Post by yeskay
Post by Cricfan
Cheers
Arun
Gafoor
2004-07-31 00:16:06 UTC
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Post by Shalini Razdan
Another movie from same time frame with a similar theme was "Star."
Unlike, DD however, "Star" actually had *good* disco music - if such
a thing exists that is. :-)
Star songs were very good - I think it was Biddu's music.
The movie was an utter flop, though.
Loony Tunes
2004-07-31 01:36:37 UTC
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Post by Gafoor
Post by Shalini Razdan
Another movie from same time frame with a similar theme was "Star."
Unlike, DD however, "Star" actually had *good* disco music - if such
a thing exists that is. :-)
Star songs were very good - I think it was Biddu's music.
The movie was an utter flop, though.
I have the songs in mp3. Boom Boom the famous hit picturized on Anupama
Varma a few years ago first appeared in Star.

IMO, Star was more to showcase the singing talents of Zoheb Hassan. Nazia
already had a huge hit in Disco Deewaane. Looks like most of the songs in
Star were by Zoheb. The movie had Kumar Gaurav playing the Star and his girl
friend in the movie was Rati Agnihotri.

kamesh
Loony Tunes
2004-07-31 02:25:36 UTC
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Post by Loony Tunes
. Looks like most of the songs in
Star were by Zoheb.
correction: both Zoheb and Nazia sang 3 songs each and there one one duet.
Kevin Brook
2004-08-03 07:32:02 UTC
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Was there never an Indian "disco phenomenon?"
Did this movie just jump out of nowhere, and then
disappear again without influencing music, fashion and dance?
Aside from the "Disco Dancer" soundtrack, there were many other Indian
disco film tracks in the 1980s, like the following:

Kishore Kumar and Chorus - "Om Shanti Om" - 1980
Kishore Kumar and Chorus - "Paisa Paisa" - 1980
Usha Uthup and Chorus - "Hari Om Hari" - 1980
Usha Uthup and Chorus - "Ramba Ho - Ho - Ho" - 1981
Asha Bhosle - "Jawani Jan-E-Man" - 1982
Asha Bhosle, Bappi Lahiri, and Shashi Kapoor - "Raat Baaqi Baat Baaqi"
- 1982
Lata Mangeshkar and Kishore Kumar - "Disco '82" - 1982
Nazia Hassan - "Boom Boom" - 1982 - very nice, produced by Biddu,
who had earlier worked with Tina Charles, hence his songs for
the Hassans sound a bit like 1976's "I Love to Love" by Tina
Charles
Nazia Hassan - "Koi Nahin" - 1982 - worth hearing
Zoheb Hassan - "Dheere Dheere" - 1982
Zoheb Hassan - "Ooe Ooe" - 1982
Zoheb Hassan - "Star" - 1982 - another nice one from Biddu
Kishore Kumar and Asha Bhosle - "Yaar Mila" - 1983 - rotating sections
Vijay Benedict - "Kasam Paida Karnewale" - 1984
Asha Bhosle and Kishore Kumar - "Jhoom Jhoom Ke" - 1985 - can do
without
Alisha Chinai - "Zooby Zooby" - 1987 - a fun track

Licensed samples and streams for the above songs are available from
links at:
http://www.discosavvy.com/disco80.html
http://www.discosavvy.com/disco80s.html

And there was even more Indian disco songs than these.

The song "Disco Badshah" by Bappi Lahiri (not sure what year) had some
disco sections. Nandu Bhende made a number of "disco" albums
including "Disco Nasha" (1982), "Disco Zamana" (1985), and "Disco
Mazaa" (1987).

All this being said, and even given the fact that "Disco Dancer" may
be a silly concept for a film, you have a misconception about what
disco was and is about, in its totality. There are, for instance,
disco songs with serious messages, as in some of the songs listed at
http://www.discosavvy.com/messagesongs.html like "Ain't No Stoppin' Us
Now", "Bad Luck", "So You Wanna Be A Star", "Who Can We Trust", and
"There But for the Grace of God Go I". You can't judge disco based on
some Hollywood and Bollywood films that cashed in on the trend and
usually neither represented the disco scene accurately nor presented
the best disco songs. If you are really judging disco by "Thank God
It's Friday", "Saturday Night Fever", and "Can't Stop the Music", by
novelty artists like Boney M and the Village People, and by the Studio
54 type nightclub scene, you aren't seeing the whole picture, in all
due respect. Not everybody who likes disco is obsessed by the latest
dance moves or hooking up for a one night stand or getting high on
drugs. And I can find you just as many meaningless or terrible rock,
jazz, rap, and latin songs as you can find in the disco genre. For
you to imply that disco is somehow worse on the whole than jazz,
blues, rap, etc. is really an exaggeration.

And for the record, there are still hustle dance competitions going on
this year in many parts of the U.S., and new disco songs have been
made. In some places roller-disco is back too, which can be a nice
alternative to disco dancing especially for young children. Disco
lives and that's just something you have to deal with.

Chronicle of New Millennium Disco:
http://www.discosavvy.com/disco00s.html
Muffy St. Bernard
2004-08-03 12:54:32 UTC
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All this being said, and even given the fact that "Disco Dancer" may
be a silly concept for a film, you have a misconception about what
disco was and is about, in its totality. There are, for instance,
disco songs with serious messages, as in some of the songs listed at
http://www.discosavvy.com/messagesongs.html like "Ain't No Stoppin' Us
Now", "Bad Luck", "So You Wanna Be A Star", "Who Can We Trust", and
"There But for the Grace of God Go I". You can't judge disco based on
some Hollywood and Bollywood films that cashed in on the trend and
usually neither represented the disco scene accurately nor presented
the best disco songs.
I'm sure there were a lot of message-themed disco songs...but are they they
songs that average people remember? I'm thinking back, and for every "We
Are Family" there were a large number of "Disco Duck"s and "Double Dutch
Bus"ses. When people used to request disco from me I was always being asked
for "Rasputin" or "Stayin' Alive" or "Love To Love You Baby," and even when
people danced to something with a social message they would do so in a
mocking way.

Now, maybe I'm just as guilty as the rest for considering disco to be a
flippant thing -- partly perhaps because it's not far enough away to have
become a classic trend, but not close enough to have a HUGE number of
followers -- but just based on my experience growing up listening to it (and
watching my sister roller-skate to it) it seemed to be just as shallow as --
say -- Bubblegum pop. Doesn't mean it's bad, but doesn't mean it's been a
vehicle for social change either.
Post by Kevin Brook
If you are really judging disco by "Thank God
It's Friday", "Saturday Night Fever", and "Can't Stop the Music", by
novelty artists like Boney M and the Village People, and by the Studio
54 type nightclub scene, you aren't seeing the whole picture, in all
due respect.
I'm sure I'm not...but those were the movies made to cash in on
disco...those are the historical documents. And when Donna Summer and Steve
Guttenberg star in the historical documents, well... :)

Elvis' movies were more-or-less exploitative and silly as well...but somehow
they didn't come across with the same level of hedonism. Or maybe they did
and it's just mellowed with time.
Post by Kevin Brook
Not everybody who likes disco is obsessed by the latest
dance moves or hooking up for a one night stand or getting high on
drugs.
I'm sure they aren't. But if I fill up reviews (or just comments) with
phrases like "on the average" or "most" or "in general" they get very dull
to read!

Particularly when the review is of "Disco Dancer," and it's intended to
entertain instead of enlighten.
Post by Kevin Brook
And I can find you just as many meaningless or terrible rock,
jazz, rap, and latin songs as you can find in the disco genre. For
you to imply that disco is somehow worse on the whole than jazz,
blues, rap, etc. is really an exaggeration.
It may be, you could be right. But then...why do you think that disco has
gotten the bad reputation that it has? Rock is seen as the revolution that
drove teenagers into the consumer market...jazz has got the reputation of
being somehow both intellectual and "from the heart" (though I admit it
drives me up the wall) -- rap supposedly speaks for urban kids who
previously didn't have a voice...and Latin...well, I've never much looked
into it, but you may be on to something there. I haven't heard enough of it
to judge.

Why hasn't disco aquired the same sort of respectibility? Why don't the
rest of us understand?
Post by Kevin Brook
And for the record, there are still hustle dance competitions going on
this year in many parts of the U.S., and new disco songs have been
made. In some places roller-disco is back too, which can be a nice
alternative to disco dancing especially for young children. Disco
lives and that's just something you have to deal with.
I can certainly deal with it, and I never implied that disco was a BAD thing
in my mind, or something that must be eradicated. I don't, however, see it
as the sort of music that inspired large numbers of people to a higher plane
of existance, which seems to be the direction "Disco Dancer" was coming at
it.

Muffy
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff

Karen Lofstrom
2004-07-30 04:54:31 UTC
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Another glorious review! Welcome back, Muffy!
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Muffy St. Bernard
2004-07-30 12:08:05 UTC
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Another glorious review! Welcome back, Muffy!
Thanks for the welcome, Karen! I'm glad to see you're still here.

Cheers,
Muffy.
Baradwaj Rangan
2004-07-30 12:21:45 UTC
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1) Muffy, why don't I wear more black eye shadow right above your false
eyelashes, to give you a more dramatic look?
Muffy, you give Premiere magazine's Libby Gelman-Waxner a run for her
(his) money! Great stuff, and welcome back!
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
2) Don't your reviews simply exaggerate the wackier aspects of Indian
movies, and imply that Western movies in the same genre do not contain
similar moments of total, glorious lunacy? Do you honestly believe that a
Bollywood spy film like "Great Gambler" or "Shaan" is crazier than -- say --
your average James Bond flick?
aficionados of wacky Bollywood: is it any more ridiculous than Hollywood
kitsch classics such as "T.G.I.F." or "Can't Stop The Music?"
Or, indeed, any Russ Meyer movie...
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
Jimmy is no exception. He's grown up in the sort of an environment that
would leave most people bitter, hateful, and prematurely aged.
A wee bit like Saturday Night Fever, that *other* disco movie that
tried to bwe more than just a disco movie, don't you think?
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
Jimmy -- who himself has never seen a fork or spoon -- has the hots for
Ritu, the daughter of the evil villain next door. This villain -- named Mr.
Speaking of Kim, have you reviewed Naseeb?
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
a big star. After all, every woman in town has a picture of Jimmy in his
"Krishna Pigeon" outfit under their pillows, which isn't surprising because
"Krishna Pigeon" outfit? Doesn't ring a bell... though I do remember
the Vijaya Benedict (?) song Krishna... aa jaa tu...
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
is, it's BAD disco music. Other than the plaintive "Jimmy Jimmy" number --
Oh God! How many (bad) memories can one handle in succession! ;-)
Wasn't this by that tuneless wonder named Parvati Khan?
Muffy St. Bernard
2004-07-30 13:13:23 UTC
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Post by Muffy St. Bernard
1) Muffy, why don't I wear more black eye shadow right above your false
eyelashes, to give you a more dramatic look?
Muffy, you give Premiere magazine's Libby Gelman-Waxner a run for her
(his) money! Great stuff, and welcome back!
Thanks! It's great to be back!
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
aficionados of wacky Bollywood: is it any more ridiculous than Hollywood
kitsch classics such as "T.G.I.F." or "Can't Stop The Music?"
Or, indeed, any Russ Meyer movie...
Well, I think I HAVE hit on a substantial difference between Bollywood genre
films and Hollywood genre films: the Hollywood (or just western)
counterparts tend to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek and flippant, whereas the
Bollywood films are so serious about the subject. For instance, I have
never seen a Russ Meyer movie that took itself seriously...it is always
winking at the audience, saying "isn't this dramatic and important...haha!"
From what I understand, Bond films are the same...but I have yet to actually
see a typical Bond film.

As for Saturday Night Fever...gulp, you got me! I haven't seen it since I
was a kid and I don't remember how serious it was. If it DID take disco
seriously, I suspect it treated disco as a means to some sort of earthly
advancement: money or fame, or beating a rival or something. It may even
treat it as a method for the characters to prove they can do something well,
to give them pride in themselves.

But "Disco Dancer" -- in my eyes -- treats disco like...well, worship,
almost. A direct link to enlightenment and God. A specific metaphor for
all the trials and triumphs of Jimmy...meanwhile illustrated with totally
goofy dance numbers, and sidestepping what disco dancing actually IS (or,
thank goodness, was!).
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
Speaking of Kim, have you reviewed Naseeb?
Should I? I haven't seen it...
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
"Krishna Pigeon" outfit? Doesn't ring a bell... though I do remember
the Vijaya Benedict (?) song Krishna... aa jaa tu...
It's a disco song about Krishna, with his crown and flute on stage. Jimmy
is wearing a black outfit with white wooly material poking out of the seams,
very feather-like but at the same time very messy and somewhat
disorganized...like a pigeon!
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
is, it's BAD disco music. Other than the plaintive "Jimmy Jimmy" number --
Oh God! How many (bad) memories can one handle in succession! ;-)
Wasn't this by that tuneless wonder named Parvati Khan?
I'm not sure who the playback singer was, but "Jimmy Jimmy" is the only song
that seemed catchy and coherent to me...the others just seemed like
patchworks of disco cliches (and, as it turns out, more song rip-offs than I
was aware of). The best songs in the movie were the instrumental themes, I
thought.

BollyMike, however, disagrees wholeheartedly. He loves the music, he wears
Jimmy fabrics and eats Jimmy icecream. I like the craziness of the film,
but...well, it didn't click with me the way Bollywood should. Jeez, I need
to see a GOOD movie! :)

Muffy
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff
Loony Tunes
2004-07-30 15:06:47 UTC
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Post by Baradwaj Rangan
"Krishna Pigeon" outfit? Doesn't ring a bell... though I do remember
the Vijaya Benedict (?) song Krishna... aa jaa tu...
Vijay Benedict was the main singer for all of Mithun songs in Disco Dancer
IMO. He later went on to sing a few more for Mithun before vanishing from
the scene.
Post by Baradwaj Rangan
Post by Muffy St. Bernard
is, it's BAD disco music. Other than the plaintive "Jimmy Jimmy" number --
Oh God! How many (bad) memories can one handle in succession! ;-)
Wasn't this by that tuneless wonder named Parvati Khan?
Yes.

IMO, the disco songs trend as far as Mithun is concerned goes back to his
Gunmaster G9 role in Surakshaa.. I distinctly remember Bhappi Lahiri belting
out, "hami jo karina tha, hami ne kari liya"

Following that there were songs of "Bhappi's-interpretation-of-Disco-Genre"
in movies like Wardat, "dekhaa hai maine tujhe phiri se palati ke", Usha
Uthup and Bhappi duet "tuu mujhe jaan se bhi pyaara hai" ( a song where
Bhappi's and Usha's voices are literally indistinguishable) and plenty more.

FWIW, I have always found those songs very "entertaining".

cheers
lt
Gafoor
2004-07-30 16:04:24 UTC
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Post by Loony Tunes
Following that there were songs of
"Bhappi's-interpretation-of-Disco-Genre" in movies like Wardat,
"dekhaa hai maine tujhe phiri se palati ke", Usha Uthup and Bhappi
duet "tuu mujhe jaan se bhi pyaara hai" ( a song where Bhappi's and
Usha's voices are literally indistinguishable) and plenty more.
That's not true - the more manly voice is clearly Usha's.
Cricfan
2004-07-30 23:38:32 UTC
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Post by Loony Tunes
IMO, the disco songs trend as far as Mithun is concerned goes back to his
Gunmaster G9 role in Surakshaa.. I distinctly remember Bhappi Lahiri belting
out, "hami jo karina tha, hami ne kari liya"
I remember a question in a quiz back in India about Suraksha. :-) It
went something like "What was reviewed in India-Today as 'James Bond
meets John Travolta'"? :-)

That was Bappi's most famous song after "Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna",
wasn't it? :-) Accent and all...Moousam hey gaanee ka, gaanee kaa,
bajanee ka.. [I'm in splits, right now!]


Cheers
Arun
Loony Tunes
2004-07-31 01:43:30 UTC
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Post by Cricfan
I remember a question in a quiz back in India about Suraksha. :-) It
went something like "What was reviewed in India-Today as 'James Bond
meets John Travolta'"? :-)
I remember the poster on Illustrated Weekly and in Stardust. The picture
showed Mithun strike a Karate pose and we went wow...."abe sahi
yaar....Indian Bruce Lee".
Post by Cricfan
That was Bappi's most famous song after "Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna",
wasn't it? :-) Accent and all...Moousam hey gaanee ka, gaanee kaa,
bajanee ka.. [I'm in splits, right now!]
Oh yes...with the intermittent Gunmaster G 9, oooo la la la
laaaaaaaaaa.....I saw it on one of the desi channels recently. It was
nostalgia again. The interludes are heavily inspired by some Western
instrumentals... I had this one titled, Cerrone in C minor or some thing
like that. I later also found it in some Ventures tape. This one had a
shorter version. The former is a 15 min piece. Much later, Lawaris' "apni to
jaise taise" had its beginings borrowed from the same piece. (I may be
having the name of the original mixed up)

kamesh
Post by Cricfan
Cheers
Arun
Anant Rege
2004-07-31 08:27:24 UTC
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Post by Muffy St. Bernard
{This review is best seen in its native habitat -- with lots of screenshots
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff/bollybob/rdisco.html
That was another great review Muffy. Thanks for it and let me echo others,
'welcome back'. Your review reminded me of a book by Roger Ebert 'I hated
hated hated this movie' where he has reviewed many of the absolute terrible
movies. Some of the reviews in that book are so hilarious that I actually
want to see those movies. Now there is one of the main difference between
that book and your reviews. I have already seen most of these movies that
you have reviewed. But it is really fun to get the perspective of all those
cliche situations in Hindi films, that we take so much for granted, from
'other' side. If a non Indian happen to ask me about Hindi movies, I will
hurry to make a list of some of the great movies I have seen over the years.
In your case, I would love to make a list of all the terrible movies
instead. And the ratio of no. of films in this list to other one will be
100:1.

Keep posting.

Anant
Muffy St. Bernard
2004-07-31 18:20:30 UTC
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That was another great review Muffy. Thanks for it and let me echo others,
'welcome back'. Your review reminded me of a book by Roger Ebert 'I hated
hated hated this movie' where he has reviewed many of the absolute terrible
movies. Some of the reviews in that book are so hilarious that I actually
want to see those movies.
Thanks, Anant! Believe me, next time I see a movie I like, I will post a
positive review about it. I think that, for the moment, I've had my fill of
Bollywood kitsch...I need to get on a diet of films that are a bit more
substantial...though I always promise myself that.

Now I need to go find a copy of that Roger Ebert book! He really could be
nasty when he wanted to be...

Muffy
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff
Shishir Yerramilli
2004-08-01 08:56:01 UTC
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Post by Muffy St. Bernard
{This review is best seen in its native habitat -- with lots of screenshots
http://www.dazzled.com/dangermuff/bollybob/rdisco.html
But if you absolutely cannot get over there, here it is...the first new
BollyBob review in over a year!}
Disco Dancer, 1982
Starring: Mithun Chakraborty, Kim, Rajesh Khanna
Music by Bappi Lahiri
Produced & Directed by B. Subhash
1) Muffy, why don't I wear more black eye shadow right above your false
eyelashes, to give you a more dramatic look?
2) Don't your reviews simply exaggerate the wackier aspects of Indian
movies, and imply that Western movies in the same genre do not contain
similar moments of total, glorious lunacy? Do you honestly believe that a
Bollywood spy film like "Great Gambler" or "Shaan" is crazier than -- say --
your average James Bond flick?
I refuse to answer the first question because it's personal (and how dare
you ask, masher!), and I don't know anything about James Bond so I can't
give a really good answer to the second question. But you might ask the same
thing about the 80's film "Disco Dancer," a sort of benchmark for
aficionados of wacky Bollywood: is it any more ridiculous than Hollywood
kitsch classics such as "T.G.I.F." or "Can't Stop The Music?" Or, more to
the point, I can imagine people gearing up into a frenzy of pre-review
indignation: "Muffy, are you going to pick on 'Disco Dancer' just because it
was made in India? Why are you so snobby and ethnocentric? Why don't you
take advice from people who really KNOW how to apply cosmetics? WHY DO YOU
HATE US SO MUCH?!?"
I think Disco Dancer was a big hit in Russia,perhaps the Russian
authorities were wild about Mithun because he was a Naxalite(a
communist guerilla) in the past!I feel very sorry for the Russians
before the 90's ,besides the brutal repression,they are so starved for
entertainment that movies like Disco Dancer become massive hits!
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